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		<title>What I Think of Joel Osteen&#8230; And The Like</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m often asked what I think of Joel Osteen and similar teachers. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re false prophets, but I do think they&#8217;re little misguided because they ignore key parts of scripture. I read this blog from Donald Miller (one of my top three favorite authors) and Donald summarizes my thoughts about the Osteens of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m often asked what I think of Joel Osteen and similar teachers.  I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re false prophets, but I do think they&#8217;re little misguided because they ignore key parts of scripture.  I read this blog from Donald Miller  (one of my top three favorite authors) and Donald summarizes my thoughts about the Osteens of this world better than I can.  So, I&#8217;ve copied Donald&#8217;s blog into my blog below.  Read it and let me know you&#8217;re thoughts (BUT&#8230; don&#8217;t slam Joel Osteen and tele-evangelists in your comments &#8211; stay on topic and discuss the content).</p>
<p>If you want to read the blog directly from Donald&#8217;s blog, click here: http://donmilleris.com/2010/05/21/the-person-god-designed-you-to-be/</p>
<p>Here we go&#8230;</p>
<p><em>I’ve heard this little phrase in Christian circles that says “you can  be the person God designed you to be.” The implications of the phrase  are:</em></p>
<p><em>1. You are not the person God designed you to be and</em></p>
<p><em>2. The speaker or writer has some sort of formula that is going to  help you become who God intended for you to be.</em></p>
<p><em>Now to be sure, every time I’ve heard this the intentions have been  terrific. It’s always the nicest (and for that matter, most God fearing  God loving better than my cynical self) people who say these things. If  the world were more populated with people like them than people like me  the world would be a better place, for sure. God knows they mean well,  and they mean well for God and for you.</em></p>
<p><em>That said, I take issue with the phrase. I don’t believe you and I  are going to be the people God intended for us to be until we get to  heaven, until we are reunited with the Trinity. Until then, we are the  people God never wanted us to be, that is people who are separated from  Him. We have access to Him through Christ, but we won’t be with Him, as  it were, until the wedding feast of the lamb, so until then, we are  incomplete and that’s the most obvious truth in the world, all you have  to do is watch the news, or have a video camera follow you around for an  hour.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://donmilleris.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/adam-and-eve.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="adam-and-eve" src="http://donmilleris.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/adam-and-eve-213x300.jpg" alt="" width="213" height="300" /></a><em>If you want a good picture of what  life would be like if we were the person God created us to be, you just  have to look at the book of Genesis. Moses repeats one descriptive  phrase over and over, that before the fall, people walked around naked  and weren’t ashamed. He really doesn’t explain much else. He just keeps  going on about how when people were with God they could walk around  naked. It actually makes you start wondering what Uncle Mosie was thinking.</em></p>
<p><em>But if you think about it, it’s quite a meaningful way of saying  that, in the presence of God, we are hardly self aware. That is, we can  walk around completely naked and feel no shame. That’s very hard to  believe, you know, because every time I’m naked I am acutely aware of  the fact I am naked. Honestly, it never slips my mind. I never find  myself at the grocery store, catching a chill in the frozen food section  when I suddenly realize I’m in my birthday suit.</em></p>
<p><em>What Moses is saying is that we were designed to live in the presence  of God, and in His presence, and His presence alone, self awareness  fades away, and we are made complete in an exchange of love we can’t  possibly imagine. Moses, then, summed it up pretty well: </em><em>They were  naked and felt no shame.</em></p>
<p><em>And so when we hear we can be the people God designed us to be by  obeying a formula, we are being sold snake oil. If you were the person  God designed you to be, you’d walk around naked and not know it. In  other words, if you were the person God designed you to be, you’d be in  an insane asylum singing </em><em>Third Day songs only wearing a keytar.</em></p>
<p><em>It sounds like a slight thing to  contend with, but believing you can  become some sort of actualized human being before the wedding feast of  the lamb has negative emotional consequences. If you actually believe  that, you aren’t going to be happy because you’ll spend your life  believing you are missing out on some kind of life that isn’t accessible  till you are reunited with God. No formula is going to reverse the  affects of the fall of man. You don’t have that kind of power, and  neither does a formula. God will bring you to Him when He chooses, and  at that point you will be the person He designed you to be, namely,  you’ll be with Him, which is what He designed you for.</em></p>
<p><em>Instead, Paul repeats over and over that what we have in Christ is  hope. HOPE. He says he counts all things rubbish compared to the hope  that awaits us in Christ. And he says the hope we have in Christ will  not disappoint.</em></p>
<p><em>And there’s nothing depressing about that at all. Ever meet a girl  who just got engaged? She’s happy. She’s not happy because she’s  not married, she’s happy because she knows she’s going to get married. She  has hope. In fact, the truth is she’s happier engaged than she ever will  be married (booo….bad joke, just kidding. Please don’t tweet me angry,  140 character hate mails.)</em></p>
<p><em>What this means for me is that I can learn about God, I can pray to  God, I can long for God, I can cry out to God, I can allow God’s  principles to guide me in this vapor of a short life, I can enjoy my  suffering as a point of reference for His eventual deliverance, but in  terms of being an actualized human being, all I’ve got going for me is  Christ. I’ve got nothing else. And Christ will reunite me with the  Father, and at that point, I will be the person God designed me to be.  I’ve got no hope in myself at all, and no hope in formulas. I’ve got all  my hope in Christ.</em></p>
<p><em>So next time you’re reading a religious book and the author says you  can be the person God designed you to be, flip to the back cover and  look at the author picture. If said author is wearing clothes, put the  book back on the shelf. It’s like my Uncle Mosie told us, </em><strong><em>Never  trust a fella wearing clothes.</em></strong></p>
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